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SHANNON BREAM, FOX NEWS CHANNEL ANCHOR: Hello and welcome to FOX NEWS @ NIGHT. I’m Shannon Bream in Washington and this is a Fox News alert.

Day 14, no end in sight for the partial government shutdown. President Trump says it could last months or more than a year.

And the president also says he’s considering declaring a national emergency in order to get the border wall built with or without Congress.

Vice President Mike Pence hosts the next round of discussions tomorrow. Will those negotiations be more fruitful?

And it’s all happening against the backdrop of new House leadership that’s promising bipartisanship. At the same time, some Democrats are calling for the president to be impeached now.

How will House Speaker Nancy Pelosi manage her members’ impeachment fever and demands that climate change be the top priority over shattering possibly the speaker’s own plans?

Well, we’ve got Fox team coverage. Chad Pergram is looking into the internal Democratic split at play in the House. David Spunt is here with more on the Democrats who do not want to reach across the aisle calling instead for radical new policies and immediate impeachment.

But we begin with correspondent Leland Vittert and the latest on the shutdown showdown over a border wall. Good evening, Leland.

LELAND VITTERT, FOX NEWS CHANNEL CORRESPONDENT: Good evening, Shannon. For all the talk by House Republicans over the past couple of weeks of using the nuclear option in the Senate to eliminate the 60-vote filibuster, the president has raised the ante even higher. And he’s now talking about the possibility of building the wall regardless of congressional approval.


DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We can call a national emergency because of the security of our country, absolutely. We can do it. I haven’t done it. I may do it. I may do it. But we can call a national emergency and build it very quickly. And it’s another way of doing it. But we can do it through a negotiated process. We’re giving that a shot.

VITTERT: As Democrats left their second White House meeting this week, they seemed equally pessimistic as after their first.

NANCY PELOSI, U.S. SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: We recognize on the democratic side that we really cannot resolve this until we open up government.

SEN. CHUCK SCHUMER (D-NY), SENATE MONITORY LEADER: Don’t hold millions of Americans, hundreds of thousands of workers hostage, open up the government and let’s continue the discussions.

VITTERT: On their first night controlling the House, Democrats pushed through a series of bills to reopen the government but denied the present wall funding. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell called that move a waste of time.

SEN. MITCH MCCONNELL (R-KY), SENATE MAJORITY LEADER: The basic steps that are needed to end this unfortunate standoff really haven’t changed at all on the same place.

VITTERT: With the president describing the meeting as very productive and Democrats calling it contentious, neither side offered the other a way out.

SCHUMER: In fact, he said he’d keep the government closed for a very long period of time, months or even years.

TRUMP: You can call whatever you want. You can call it the Schumer or the Pelosi or the Trump shutdown, it doesn’t make any difference to me, because we want to do what’s right and we want to do it all at one time.

VITTERT: Speaker Pelosi calls building a wall immoral, but House Republicans now in the minority seem to think there is still a deal to be made.

REP. MATT GAETZ (R), FLORIDA: Keep a close eye on Lindsey Graham, he’s stitching together a deal that gives the president what he needs on border security, also may do the Bridge Act, no amnesty, no path to citizenship but temporary legal status for dreamers.


VITTERT: All right. Just about 12 hours from now, the senior staff from both the legislative side and the vice president’s side can mean for another meeting. Remember, Shannon, the vice president said no wall, no deal, but did not rule out the idea of a broader deal and giving the Democrats something on immigration.

BREAM: Yes. And there’s discussions that may be a factor in getting something done. We’ll see.

VITTERT: We will.

BREAM: Thank you, Leland.

All right. Democrats already on defense just 24 hours after taking control of the House, party leaders pushing back today after a freshman Democratic congresswoman unleashed a profanity-laced tirade at the president while calling for his impeachment.

Correspondent David Spunt is here live with the very latest. Good evening, David.

DAVID SPUNT, FOX NEWS CHANNEL CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Shannon, good evening. There continues to be quite a lot of fallout from these comments. We’re seeing Democrats with two schools of thought about it. Yesterday at noon as the new Congress began, Speaker Nancy Pelosi and other Democratic leaders spoke of optimism and patriotism.

President Trump even began a news conference a few hours later by congratulating Speaker Pelosi on her win. But just a few hours after members took the oath of office, Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib from Michigan appeared at a party and no surprise in 2019, someone was recording. She said she wants to impeach the president but use another word to describe him.


REP. RASHIDA TLAIB (D), MICHIGAN: People love you and you win and when your son looks at you and says, mama, look, you won. Bullies don’t win. And I said, baby, they don’t. Because we’re going to go in there. We’re going to impeach the mother (BLEEP)


SPUNT: And President Trump at a news conference from the Rose Garden today responded to the freshman congresswoman’s comments.


TRUMP: I thought that was a great dishonor to her and to her family. I thought it was highly disrespectful to the United States of America.


SPUNT: Now, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi in a town hall brushed off the comments from Tlaib.


PELOSI: I don’t think we should make a big deal of it. Words have -- weigh a ton and the president has to realize that his words weigh a ton too. And some of the words that he uses has a direct impact on people’s lives. My colleague’s comments do not have an impact on people’s lives.


SPUNT: But other Democrats in Congress split with Pelosi over those comments.


REP. EMANUEL CLEAVER (D), MISSOURI: What she said was wrong. Wrong is wrong. And I will not retreat from calling it wrong.

REP. ELIJAH CUMMINGS (D), MARYLAND: You cannot accomplish very much anything unless you have civility and show respect for your colleagues. And I think those kind of comments do not take us in the right direction.


SPUNT: You mentioned impeaching the president of the United States, people of course are going to ask questions, Shannon. Well, this is what happened when reporters peppered the congresswoman with questions about those comments.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Reach out to our office and talk to Denzel McCampbell. He’ll be able to --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, we’re trying to talk to your boss, sir.


SPUNT: After refusing to answer questions on camera, Tlaib did take to Twitter, she wrote, quote, “This is not just about Donald Trump. This is about all of us. In the face of this constitutional crisis, we must rise. I will always speak truth to power, #unapologeticallyme.”

Now, two hours after tweeting that, she tweeted again and said, quote, “Now is the time to begin impeachment proceedings against president Trump.”

Shannon, back to you.

BREAM: All right, David. Thank you very much.

Well, the new Democratic majority in the House, like most new majorities on Capitol Hill, is promising a bold agenda. But as senior Capitol Hill producer Chad Pergram reports, internal divides are already threatening to overshadow the ambitious plans. Chad?

CHAD PERGRAM, FOX NEWS SENIOR CAPITOL HILL PRODUCER: Shannon, the easy part for Democrats was when in control of the House. Now, comes the hard part, governing.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: For the meeting of the 116th Congress of the United States, the House will come to order.

PERGRAM: Governing is always more daunting, especially with a fractious Democratic caucus, many liberal Democrats see their position in Congress as a rearguard to fight against President Trump. Democrats planned multiple probes at Mr. Trump.

House committees have already requested scores of documents from the White House and administration officials.

There’s a new committee to study what House Speaker Nancy Pelosi describes as a climate crisis and legislation for a green new deal.

Former Arizona congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords wounded in a 2011 assassination attempt returns to Capitol Hill next week to rule out bipartisan legislation to expand background checks for sales and transfers of firearms. But it all starts with the first big bill in Congress, HR1.

PELOSI: We are introducing HR1 to hold legislation, to clean up corruption and restore integrity to government.

PERGRAM: The legislation includes an effort to publicize President Trump’s tax returns, requiring presidential candidates to release 10 years of taxes, but there are fissures among Democrats. Some demanded street brawls with the president. Liberals contend the climate panel lacks teeth.

Fifteen Democrats have opposed Pelosi’s candidacy for speaker. The House usually approves a package of rules establishing parameters for congressional business on a party line vote, yet three Democrats opposed Pelosi’s plan.

The no’s, upstart freshman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York. Hawaii’s Tulsi Gabbard. And Ro Khanna of California.


PERGRAM: As Speaker Pelosi will have to deal with some lawmakers pushing for impeachment. But Pelosi has been here before, when Democrats got control of the House in 2006, many pushed for the impeachment of President George W. Bush over the war in Iraq. Pelosi wrestled with revolts then. The question is if Pelosi can quash similar rebellions today. Shannon.

BREAM: We will discuss that with the panel, Chad. Thank you very much.

All right. Civil discourse in 2019 is not off to a great start with the new divided government in Washington, despite top former Democratic leaders calling for an end to all this divisiveness.


HILLARY CLINTON, FORMER U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE: If we are fortunate enough to win back the House and/or the Senate, that’s when civility can start again.

JOE BIDEN, FORMER VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: This country has to come together. This division that exists, this hatred, this ugliness, it really has to come to an end.


BREAM: Time now for tonight’s “Power Panel.” Fox News contributor, former Clinton pollster, Douglas Schoen. President of RealClearPolitics, Tom Bevan. And the editorial director of the Daily Caller, Vince Coglianese. Thank you all for joining us tonight, gentlemen.




BREAM: OK. So, Doug, you heard the former first lady, former secretary of state, the former Democratic nominee for the presidency herself, she said, if they won back the House, it’s time to become civil again. And for some folks on the hill, they don’t think that’s exactly how it sounds on day two into this new House control.

SCHOEN: Well, first of all, it is uncivil. We’ve heard that today, we’ve heard some vile rhetoric and threatening to impeach the president, introducing articles of impeachment is, in my judgment good politics or civil.

I also would tell you that I don’t think the Democratic Party itself is united. There are fissures to be sure in the Republican Party, but as the report suggested there are divisions in the Democratic Party, all of which leads me to believe we’re going to have more contention, more bitterness, more polarization.

BREAM: Yes. I mean, Tom, how does the new speaker -- newly re-speakered (ph), how does she deal with this new batch of Democrats? Because, you know, she talked today about this generational gap, the language that was used going after the president. So they shouldn’t be making such a big deal out of it.

But there are a lot of these new freshman and other members who are newer at this who say, we want impeachment. We expected to do this. We want climate change to be the number one thing. We’re talking about it.

They are really kind of trying to overshadow what she may have planned as speaker. How does she manage that? Can she?

BEVAN: Well, it’s going to be hard. And it’s going to take all of her political skill. We know she’s very good at this. She’s good at legislating, she’s good at fundraising, she’s good at corralling votes.

But this is a different situation. As you mentioned, I mean, just the roar that Rashida Tlaib got for those comments sort of is the tell -- this is where the hunger for the Democratic base is, is not for civility it’s for engaging against Trump across the board.

And so in addition to that, Democrats are going to need to -- that’s not good enough for them. They’re going to have to put forward some piece of legislation, some agenda that shows the country that they actually can govern.

And to the point that was made earlier, I mean, there are fissures within the Democratic Party on issues like PAYGO, on climate change. It’s going to be very difficult for Nancy Pelosi to corral those votes. It’s going to take all of her skill and we’ll see where she ends up.

BREAM: Well, Vince, this is how Kimberley Strassel, the Wall Street Journal sums up the plan, she says, “America, meet the Pelosi House articles of impeachment, a move to abolish the electoral college, comparisons of the president to Hitler. A non-starter vote on the shutdown, profanity, a proposal for a 70 percent tax hike on the wealthy all in under 36 hours, wait until they get rolling.

COGLIANESE: Yes. I think it’s a strategy that Republican campaign strategists are quietly welcoming, because what it does is, it demonstrates that Democrats do not have control of their own party.

Think about this, if you run the entire midterm saying that the president of the United States is material and divisive and we need an alternative in the United States, then where is that? We don’t see anyone acting like an adult in the Democratic Party. Instead, immediately what we’re getting his hysterical temper tantrums and not providing a contrast in any way. And I think that’s the kind of thing that the president is going to be able to easily run against going into 2020.

Nancy Pelosi, her daughter said this week, she can cut your head off and you won’t even know you’re bleeding. I think she starts this Congress wounded and she needs to figure out a way to corral these Democrats.

BREAM: OK. So one of those that she may need to corral, because they don’t exactly see eye to eye in all the issues is new Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, that’s where this idea of a 70 percent tax comes in. Here is what she’s saying about that.


REP. ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ (D), NEW YORK: Once you get to like the tippy tops on your $10 million, sometimes you see tax rates as high as 60 or 70 percent as you climb up this ladder, you should be contributing more. Only has ever been radicals that have changed this country.

ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: Do you call yourself a radical?

OCASIO-CORTEZ: Yes. If that’s what radical means, call me a radical.


BREAM: And, Tom, she likened herself to President Lincoln with the emancipation proclamation FDR with the new deal -- give her points for being honest about it.

BEVAN: No. Exactly. I mean, she’s willing to go out there and sort of lean into this idea. But to the point that she was making, I mean, at some point, you have to -- and she’s been asked this before, you know, how do you pay for this stuff? In addition to this new green deal that she wants. There’s Medicare for All that’s going to cost trillions of dollars.

And so she’s willing to say, look, we’re going to tax the rich. We’re going to soak the rich and on to tax rates that we haven’t seen in a long, long time in this country. I’m not sure that’s a winning message for Democrats.

I’m not sure that’s something that even a majority of their party is going to buy into and something they’re going to run on in 2020, 70 percent tax - - taxes for the wealthiest people in this country. That’s not going to be a good platform for them. I don’t think in 2020.

BREAM: OK. Doug and Vince, I want you both to quickly weigh in on this before we run out of time. So Doug first and then to Vince.

SCHOEN: Look, I’m for climate change legislation. I think we have to offer more jobs to people but we can’t guarantee jobs, we can’t engage in confiscatory taxes. We need a pro-growth agenda that’s inclusive, not redistribution, if we’re to succeed as a party.

BREAM: Vince?

COGLIANESE: I like to see any lawmaker who honestly answers questions about what they intend to do. She’s telling us but just the approach is not credible, she’s given - she’s talking out of both sides of her mouth here. She saying she wants to collect tax revenue from the rich, punish them. But also she doesn’t really care how we pay for anything, she doesn’t care if we have the revenue. In fact this new green deal - green new deal rather, they don’t care whether or not they have the revenue to pay for it, they just want to pass it.

BREAM: Well, she was an economics minor at Boston University.

COGLIANESE: That’s true. She’s an economist.

BREAM: And so, she knows may be more about the economy than some other people out there. We will see how this all plays out. Doug, Tom, and Vince, have a great weekend.


DOUG SCHOEN, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Yes. Thanks, Shannon. Bye-bye.

BREAM: All right. It’s not just lawmakers ramping up verbal jabs to the President. Fox News Media Analyst Howie Kurtz standing by joining us next says the media criticism of the President has reached unprecedented new heights.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If this continues, we are going to ask your cabinet to take a vote on whether you are fit for office and invoke the 25th amendment.


BREAM: But the President is getting support from a very unlikely source, what he and progressive Democratic Senator Elizabeth Warren agree on. Stick around to find out. Plus, former CIA station chief Daniel Hoffman live after the break after the President has have vowed to pull U.S. troops out of Syria. Could we wind up with even more American resources and lives in the region and who’s in the running to become the new defense secretary.


BREAM: Federal grand jury in Washington being used by Special Counsel Robert Mueller will continue its work. The original term of the 18 months for the jury expired today but sources tell Fox News the term has been extended for potentially another six months signaling that the Russia probe may not wind down anytime soon.

Well, it’s not just Congress seemingly waging a civility war with the vice of rhetoric as Fox News Media Analyst Howard Kurtz reports criticism of President Trump in the media are reaching a fever pitch as well.


HOWARD KURTZ, FOX NEWS CHANNEL MEDIA ANALYST: It’s been a rough few weeks for President Trump from a partial government shutdown to the controversial pullout from Syria to the sinking stock market. Along with some of his own comments that have enjoyed criticism or eye rolling.

TRUMP: It’s the craziest thing I’ve ever seen. I think I would have been a good general but who knows.

KURTZ: But these hot button issues perhaps fueled by the Democratic takeover of the House have prompted some of the President’s critics in the media mostly some on the left with some anti-Trump conservatives as well to take their attacks to a new higher level, more brutal, more personal, more determined to push them out of office. Some of these commentators such as MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell and Howard Dean, a former governor and presidential candidate are diagnosing Trump’s mental health.

HOWARD DEAN, AMERICAN PHYSICIAN: I actually think the President is mentally incapacitated, and I thought so for quite some time. He says things that he knows aren’t true. I suspect and that somehow he thinks that people are going to believe and they just don’t.

LAWRENCE O’DONNELL, HOST, MSNBC: If you thought that his pathological lying could not become more pathological or that he could not become more delusional, you are wrong.

KURTZ: Some are taking such scathing criticism even further. MSNBC Host Joe Scarborough, a former GOP Congressman and a Trump friend turned fierce critic now proclaims the President unfit for office.

JOE SCARBOROUGH, HOST, MSNBC: If this continues, we are going to ask your cabinet to take a vote on whether you are fit for office and invoke the 25th amendment.

KURTZ: Casual insults have become commonplace. Republican strategist and pundit Rick Wilson told CNN Trump spends his morning hovering up rails of add a wall and rage tweeting. CNN Contributor Nina Turner called him a baby.

NINA TURNER, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: Republicans have to go over there and change the president’s diapers.

KURTZ: Now the President at times harshly ridicules his opponents as well but by essentially calling him unhinged and worthy of impeachment, Trump’s many detractors may be crossing their own line with language that undercuts their arguments. Shannon?

BREAM: Howard Kurtz, thank you. So a lot of talk about civility and divisive rhetoric today but not everyone is at odds. It turns out one of the most progressive Democratic darlings and one of the President’s biggest critics actually agrees with him on the key issue. Correspondent Trace Gallagher has details. Hey, Trace?

TRACE GALLAGHER, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Shannon, Massachusetts’ Senator Elizabeth Warren is the first nationally known Democrat who officially joined the 2020 presidential campaign.

And coming out of the gate, one would assume she would immediately target President Trump. Instead, she’s supporting him. Challenging the merits of the wars in Syria and Afghanistan. Watch.


SEN. ELIZABETH WARREN (D-MA), SENATE ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE: So, I think it is right to get our troops out of Syria. And let me add, I think, it’s right to get our troops out of Afghanistan. I think that everybody who keeps saying, “No, no, no, we can’t do that in the defense establishment,” needs to explain what they think winning in those wars look like, and where are the metrics are.

Lots of different problems in Afghanistan and what seems to be the answer from the foreign policy establishment, stay forever. That is not a policy. We can’t do that.


GALLAGHER: Warren’s statement certainly goes further than other potential 2020 candidates. But it could open the door for them to follow suit. After all in 2008, Bernie Sanders called Afghanistan, a quote, unwinnable war. And during the 2016 campaign he opposed the continuation of what he called the Afghan occupation.

And when Joe Biden was vice president, he opposed the Afghanistan troop surge, favoring a smaller counterterrorism force. During the 2016 race, the merit of the wars in Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan was a back burner issue. But the polarizing debate promises to resurface in a big way.

Remember, Trump declaring that ISIS had been defeated is what prompted the resignation of General James Mattis as defense secretary. And this week, the president said this. Watch.


TRUMP: Well, you can talk about our generals. I gave our generals all the money they wanted. They didn’t do such a great job in Afghanistan. They’ve been fighting in Afghanistan for 19 years.


GALLAGHER: As for the report that former Democratic Senator Jim Webb, who served as President Reagan’s Navy secretary is being considered as the next defense secretary, President Trump, tweeted, “The story in the New York Times regarding Jim Webb being considered as the next Secretary of Defense is fake news. I’m sure he’s a fine man but I don’t know Jim. I never met him. Patrick Shanahan, who was acting Secretary of Defense is doing a great job.”

President Trump, said earlier this week that Patrick Shanahan could lead the Pentagon for a long time. Shannon.

BREAM: Trace Gallagher, thank you very much. OK. So you heard it. Tonight, President, says he is not considering Democrat Jim Webb to take over the Pentagon. So, who will replace General Mattis?

Here to discuss the possibilities and more, Fox News contributor, former CIA station Chief Daniel Hoffman. Great to have you with us as always.


BREAM: OK. So, let’s put up some of the names that are being thrown out there. They include a couple of current senators. Tom Cotton and Lindsey Graham, General Petraeus. The current acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan and former Senator Jim Talent, as well. Your thoughts on any of these gentlemen.

HOFFMAN: I think the president certainly recognizes the value of having Senator Tom Cotton in the Senate, as well as Senator Lindsey Graham. They’re his allies and have been incredibly important to getting the administration’s agenda forward.

I think, General Petraeus has taken himself out of the running. And I think the president is very happy with acting Secretary Patrick Shanahan. I don’t think he feels like he’s in a rush. He’s got a lot of other things to worry about, and lot of other positions to fill.

BREAM: OK. So, this from Vox, the headline, Patrick Shanahan acting defense secretary may get the job permanently. They say, “Trump may like Shanahan for one simple reason. He’s very deferential. During a cabinet meeting on Wednesday, for example, he said stoically next to Trump as the president slammed Mattis for keeping America’s military, involved in conflicts overseas, particularly, in Afghanistan.

So, we know that and that’s Mattis’ said upon leaving. The president deserves somebody who sees the world the same way that he does. But does a president need a defense secretary who will challenge him, as well?

HOFFMAN: Well, I think the president needs cabinet officials who will challenge him. One thing I’ll say about, about Secretary Shanahan is he’s on point for this space force. And we’re supposed to hear imminently about the plans. Is it going to be part of the Air Force, or is it’s going to be its own entity? And I think that’s something the president will wait to allow Secretary Shanahan to take that forward before he makes any moves whatsoever.

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