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Excerpts of Testimony From Report

October 18, 2000

Excerpts from a report by the independent counsel, issued Wednesday, regarding Mrs. Clinton’s alleged involvement in the firings at the White House travel office:

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The independent counsel believes there is substantial evidence to establish beyond a reasonable doubt that Mrs. Clinton had a ``role″ in the decision to fire the travel office employees and provided ``input″ into that decision.

Mrs. Clinton’s own sworn statement to Congress expressly acknowledges that she ``expressed (her) concern ... that if there were fiscal mismanagement in the travel office or in any part of the White House, it should be addressed promptly″ and felt that ``if necessary and justified, appropriate personnel actions″ should be taken.

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The evidence establishes conclusively that Mrs. Clinton had several conversations with Vince Foster, David Watkins, Mack McLarty, and Harry Thomason regarding the travel office.

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As recounted by these individuals, her comments _ considered fairly _ reflect the view that Mrs. Clinton desired that appropriate action be taken concerning the travel office employees, including their discharge if warranted.

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In contrast, there is insufficient evidence to prove that Mrs. Clinton expressly asked or directed McLarty, Foster or Thomason to communicate her views to Watkins in making his decision.

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The evidence that might permit a jury to conclude beyond a reasonable doubt that Mrs. Clinton was aware of her role or input is limited to the testimony of Watkins, McLarty and Thomason, and Foster’s notes, the sum total of which is not sufficient to establish beyond a reasonable doubt Mrs. Clinton’s state of mind regarding her characterization of her actions as ``role″ or ``input″ in the decision.

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The only other evidence that might be persuasive _ Mr. Cloud’s testimony about Watkins’ golf course conversation with Mrs. Clinton _ is uncorroborated, probably inadmissible, and, in any event, appears to be a result of confusion by Mr. Cloud of Watkins’ telephone conversation on May 14 with Mrs. Clinton and Watkins’ telephone conversation with Patsy Thomason on May 16.

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In light of these limitations, the independent counsel has concluded that insufficient proof exists to convince a jury beyond reasonable doubt that Mrs. Clinton knew her testimony was false when given and that she knowingly gave false material under oath to this office or to Congress.

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Given the eight separate conversations in which Mrs. Clinton discussed the travel office with senior White House staff and advisers, the evidence demonstrates that Mrs. Clinton provided ``input″ to the staff regarding the travel office firings and played a ``role″ into their decision making process.

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It is ... the independent counsel’s judgment ... that Mrs. Clinton’s input into the process was a significant _ if not the significant _ factor influencing the pace of events in the travel office firings and the ultimate decision to fire the employees.

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To establish that Mrs. Clinton knowingly gave false testimony under oath to this office, the United States would need to establish not only that the testimony was false, but that Mrs. Clinton knew the testimony to be false and knowingly gave that false testimony despite her awareness of its falsity. The admissible evidence will not support such a conclusion beyond a reasonable doubt.

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Only four individuals _ Watkins, McLarty, Foster and Thomason _ had direct contact with Mrs. Clinton relating to the travel office. Based on their testimony, the investigation has uncovered insufficient evidence that Mrs. Clinton asked or directed McLarty, Foster or Thomason to communicate her views to Watkins in making the decision or that she directed Watkins to take her views into account.

Nor did any of the witnesses provide sufficient evidence that McLarty, Watkins, Thomason or Foster ever advised Mrs. Clinton of the impact that she had on the decision to fire the travel office employees.